Re: Leslie Flint

lyfsagerny · by lyfsagerny on Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:19 am

Can you briefly explain the differences between a physical phenomena medium and a materialization medium? Thank you.

zerdini · by zerdini on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:07 am

lyfsagerny wrote:Can you briefly explain the differences between a physical phenomena medium and a materialization medium? Thank you.

When Davd Thompson asked me this question I replied as follows:

"What do I mean by materialisation?

"I mean the production of walking, talking evidential full form materialisations of people, who once lived on earth, seen by all present, in good light.

"Full form materialisation has always been a very rare gift and is generally regarded as the finest and most evidential form of physical mediumship."

A physical phenomena medium is someone who simply produces physical phenomena.

Physical phenomena can include any or all of the following: Production of ectoplasm, production of apports, raps, knocks and bangs, levitation, trance speaking, direct spirit writing etc.

lyfsagerny · by lyfsagerny on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:20 am

I see. Thanks for the clarification. You have also stated previously that you consider direct voice more evidential than materialization. Yet, I cannot imagine anything more evidential than the full form, speaking materialization of spirits that occurred through Alec Harris, as you yourself have described and experienced.

zerdini · by zerdini on Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:52 am

Sadly materialisation mediums are usually found once in a lifetime whereas the direct voice can be obtained in one's own home circle if a a harmonious mix of people get together.

lyfsagerny · by lyfsagerny on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:02 am

Really? A direct voice medium is that much more common? Then there must be one somewhere in the New York area.

zerdini · by zerdini on Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:19 am

lyfsagerny wrote:Really? A direct voice medium is that much more common? Then there must be one somewhere in the New York area.

Undoubtedly. They've had them in the past so there's no reason why they won't be there in the future.

lyfsagerny · by lyfsagerny on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:37 am

Wonderful. I'll look for one. Thanks.

Admin · by Admin on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:12 am

zerdini wrote:
lyfsagerny wrote:Well then, your experiences speak for themselves. I'm sure there's no substitute for that. On a separate note I thought you might be interested in the following unsolicited comment David Thompson made to me. Here it is:

Hi Vince,

I see you are a member of the website SpiritualismLink and have started to enter into negative communication about this topic, being discussed here.

Just in case you didnt read my previous post, I will put the answer again:

There have been people in the past, who I shall not name who because they have not found William & Tim on these somewhat limited geneology websites shouted out that they are not real. Let me state the people concerned, in the past have tried to dicredit my mediumship because of the circle having to ban them from sitting with us because of inappropriate behaviour.

FACT: This website was started by three people who have been banned by us because of very negative and pesonal comments about myself and our circle, one of the persons being of VERY dubious personality because of past criminal activity.

Also as stated I am not willing to enter into disscusion with someone who obviously has other motivations, yes I am defensive so please feel free to read it anyway you wish.

Please also feel free to have your opinion on my mediumship and William, that is the beauty of living in a free society.

As also stated I will not enter into this sort of negative discussion.

Best Regards

David

I don't know who the three people he is referring to are. Perhaps you do. Also, the referrence to a "VERY dubious personality because of past criminal activities" I find a little disturbing. Do you know who that might be? Oh, and btw, welcome back.

We are very aware of all David's posts. Glass houses and stones spring to mind.

It is a favourite tactic of Zammit and Thompson to resort to personal threats and intimidation to anyone who queries them in any way. They would do better to answer the 37 questions that have been raised about his mediumship and irresponsible and inappropriate behaviour.

Hmm I agree with Z's thoughts at the end Vince. I am glad you have brought this topic back on track. there will be a suitable reply to DT when I am ready. The allegations and comments made are erroneous and damaging therefore we will take some time in formulating our response. This will be in the Physical Mediumship section under the thread The Curious Case of DT and VZ and I highly reccomend that anyone who has not read this goes through it in detail.

In the meantime, given what transpired on teh old SCR I am taking whatever action is necessary to safeguard this site. The DT/WC issues are not the main focus of the work and intent of the Forum which is to make available as much factual and accurate information as is possible about our history and the great people in the movement. However, both Dt and WC are worthy of comment to inform people of an alternative picture, which includes substantive truths, to consider whilst asking that judgement either way be suspended prior to proof. We assume innocence but ask for the inconsistencies to be dealt with.

Jim

lyfsagerny · by lyfsagerny on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:49 am

Jim, I think your position is very reasonable. It makes one wonder when a reasonable question or questions are asked and the response is defensive and almost paranoid. I had no preconceived opinion about DT. Actually, to be fully accurate, I did have a positive expectation about him based on what I read on the VZ website. So, it comes as a real surprise to me that he chooses to act so defensively about a completely reasonable question. Obviously if the "William Cadwell" spirit did not voluntarily provide his identity to begin with then I could fully understand that it might be plausible that the spirit wishes to remain anonymous for whatever reason he may have. But after he himself gives the information, to castigate those who dare to verify it seems entirely "unspiritual" to me. In fact, it appears more like a cover to hide something. And that only raises more questions. Anyway, from time to time, I will look at the The Curious Case of DT and VZ thread just to be sure that it is not me who is being unreasonable.

Admin · by Admin on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:52 am

Thanks Vince and keep up your contributions on here they are creating valuable and interesting discussion.

Admin · by Admin on Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:26 pm

In Physical Mediumship Curious Case of DT and VZ thread is a reply to Dt's comments by Lis