The Curious Case of David Thompson and Victor Zammit

Admin wrote:Hi Mac,

Interesting thought, however I can tell you that the rules DT imposes for black out are extreme. Remember before it fell over, as a result of their financial demands, we were chosen by the guide William to run one at our Mission, we were to use our Healing and Circle room. Total Black out curtains I mean as heavy as we can and with no possibility of light in with the existing blinds behind. All internal light bulbs removed and down lights taped over and internal doors with black out curtain, fuses pulled so no light could come in.

In honesty so little residual light that any image would be so indistinct as to be meaningless. thats the standard rules Mac. You would have to have infra red, passive, to get any chance. In honesty if that is what a Physical Medium needs it will give us no proof to convince any other than a committed believer, it would not convince a Spiritualist who needs Truth. In fact what is the point, the rest of the shortfalls in the COSC/DT questions listed in my synopsis, invalidate any fuzzy images that may appear here.

Sad really but until Physical mediumship accepts detailed scientific control or enters the world of light it will never do other than potential harm to proof of survival in the wider world. Time DT agreed to a proper scientific evaluation as has been suggested by messrs Prof Gary Schwartz, Michael Roll, David Fontana and Prof Archie Roy. If he is as real as he says and VZ states why would they hold back. This gives even my willingness to accept him a major reality check. The people proposed are not negative, critical sceptics. indeed, even if they find in DT's favour, we all know the sceptics will not accept it but those of us who accept proof of survival will applaud.

I have heard reports that the image looks like a blob, I used to love that film one of the great cult science fiction productions. Could it be appropriate? I guess I won't know, I understand a few ex SCR members may be having trouble registering on COSC.

Cheers

Jim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blob lest you have forgotten

I take your points Jim. It's pretty pointless struggling along a path deliberately strewn with objects - whoever may have strewn them!

I'm not a particularly strong supporter of physical mediumship and never have been, but if it has something to offer to demonstrate life after death - especially to those who need it most - then I'll support it as enthusiastically as any form of mediumship which offers something similar. Thankfully I need no such evidence.

I registered on the COSC forum this morning but, then, I'm not a troublemaker (joke!!!!)

As a friend of mine loves to say, onwards and upwards.....

Hi All,

Touching on celebrities Lis drew my attention to this rare utube video from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle prior to hiis death.

[flash(425,344)]http://www.youtube.com/v/4eq18U5btcg&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

A cursory hearing indicates little correlation to the DT model especially as the lovely gentle Scottish accent went missing here it is. Although in fairness you may wish to listen to this at.

http://victorzammit.com/audio/doyle15.10.06.mp3

Cheers

Jim

If the embedded work it is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eq18U5btcg&feature=related

I have another voice comparison for you.

Here is a wonderful archice recording of Harry Houdini
http://www.archive.org/details/HarryHoudini
Here is David Thompsons seance recording no 3 http://victorzammit.com/afterlifevoices/houdini-mp3.mp3

I would not bet on that one remaining visible too much longer the recording which promised the personal artifact has gone now.

Again
here is a rare Ghandi talk given in English http://www.gandhiserve.org/streams/player.php?mediafile=db/gallery/Audio/Gandhis_Voice/English/augven_IARC.wma

[flash(425,344)]http://www.youtube.com/v/pSWzFz-tGrM&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

Dt's is at http://victorzammit.com/audio/ghandithroughtrumpet15.10.06.mp3

Good luck all.

Jim

It seems the video embedding is not working so the link is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWzFz-tGrM&feature=PlayList&p=63976B2114667397&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

The voice comparison is laughable in this case, the mp3's are saved it may become an interesting copyright case if they are removed from the two sites that currently have them available because they will need to be posted somewhere to allow continued comparison. I wonder if a physical medium can really have copyright on teh voice of a person he says has actually materialised in the room would not the intellectual property belong to that persons estate? any legal opinions

Hi Mac,

Sorry I wasn't ignoring your post well now you are registered you can cause them any trouble you wish

I tend to agree with your thoughts trouble is too much modern physical mediumship is not actual Mediumship ie proof of survival. Like you I have no need to see it to prove this.

Cheers

Jim

Hi Paul,

You have to be truly respectful to the great blob it was a truly classic film.

Admin wrote:I have another voice comparison for you.

Here is a wonderful archice recording of Haary Houdini
http://www.archive.org/details/HarryHoudini
Hers is david Thompsons seance recording no 3 http://victorzammit.com/afterlifevoices/houdini-mp3.mp3

I would not bet on that one remmaining visible too much longer the recording which promised the personal artifact has gone now.

Again
here is a rare Ghandi talk given in English http://www.gandhiserve.org/streams/player.php?mediafile=db/gallery/Audio/Gandhis_Voice/English/augven_IARC.wma

Dt's is at http://victorzammit.com/audio/ghandithroughtrumpet15.10.06.mp3

Good luck all.

Jim

I think you may have overlooked the words of the great know-it-all (VZ) that we lose our memories of the physical life (and how our voice and personality were) when we pass over.

Yeah right!

That must be why evidence of survival is so hard to come by.

I believe some people lose their marbles when they become lawyers while still on earth.

Admin wrote:Hi Paul,

You have to be truly respectful to the great blob it was a truly classic film.

LMAO

I recently had an invitation to attend one of his materialisation seances' and had already paid..........but.my invitation was retracted as I had already seen him twice before and the purpose was to allow as many " new " people to witness the phenomena......why ? he is doing 3 seances here in the west.
Spirit7

Hi Spirit 7,

I wish I could give you a good reply, I never knew that they were doing this as I believe a number of people have attended more times than you. With three Seances it does seem strange that they should suddenly retract your place at one of them.

I was aware of his visit to WA and astonishingly packed schedule and as I know he intends to return to South Australia later this year.

Sorry I can't help you on this.

Jim

At least you didn't waste your money, spirit7, as David is not a materialisation medium.

Z

Hi all,

It seems some discussion about this may have moved on to
http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2008/08/rethinking-david-thompson.html?cid=126956044#comments
In honesty I had no great wish to perpetuate discussion on here so it may be for the best although
I may yet respond to Victor's last attack on me.

Cheers all
Jim

Hi All,

I wonder how many of you saw Victor Zammits response to this thread in his weekly report on 1st August. I normally won't directly copy from he or David but as he writes of me in this then I think I have a right to post it

"MATERIALIZATION CORNER: the hot under the collar anti-materialization Spiritualists from South Australia who disseminated so much venom against the successful materializations of D.T. have not learnt their lesson yet . When these 'cowards' also attack Victor Zammit - or David Thompson or the Circle of the Silver Cord or materializations generally, they should have the moral courage, the fortitude and the effrontery - to write their REAL names. Otherwise, anyone reading their rants will automatically accept they have something to hide - may even call them a bunch of spineless Spiritual cowards. They show they do not have honesty, decency and integrity. When these anti-materialization skeptics try to cause injury, to try do damage to reputation, to character - the author of the attack has the inexorable duty to write his/her full name. Inevitably, no one on earth will accept their rants having any credibility at all. I will not respond to anyone who shows he does not have the courage of his convictions."

A few points firstly there is only one of me writing from South Australia, Lis has as yet not made a comment. Secondly he claims the posts to be anti materialisation yet David has admitted he is not a materialisation medium, in its full definition, on the old Spiritualist Chat Room in a post that still survives. Neither I, nor this forum is anti materialisation, as the wonderful posts here will clearly show. The link to the Tom Harrison Video, the videos on Allan Crossley and many of the excellent articles provided by Zerdini. Indeed anyone wishing to know about materialisation medium Keith Milton Rhinehart will find much more about him here than on Victor's site.

I note the words he uses, to quote "so much venom", "they do not have honesty, decency and integrity", "their rants" among others.

It is not my intention to hide here and it is clear Victor knows exactly who I am. I do not believe what has been written on here is either venomous or ranting but would accept comments on this. What has been written is a factual summary of major questions which were presented by a wide group of people on the old Spiritualist Chat Room. Neither I nor others made a judgement or said anything that supports Victors words above "When these anti-materialization skeptics try to cause injury, to try do damage to reputation, to character". We made it clear that our interest was in getting answers to significant issues. These caused doubt to be cast on the actual nature of what was occuring, raised substantial issues about who the guides really were and the rather dangerous knowledge they seemed willing to share such as the aspirin issue. No one has questioned the integrity or honesty of either Victor or David by seeking answers to issues such as this.

There is no vested interest in knocking down any medium, I am sure that everyone who contributed the information, that created the list of questions, would be delighted to get either satisfactory answers or alternatively see genuinely substantiated, conclusive, proof from the seances. At this moment neither is forthcoming so we ask questions. To question, based on factual evidence is not trying to "cause injury" or create "damage to reputation" it is endeavouring to establish a proper basis whereby we can all fully accept the reality of David's Mediumship with the inconsistencies dealt with. I also believe that the level of proof we would accept is well below that of a sceptic. I am sure we would accept reasonable photographic evidence, in disagreement with Victors remark in last week (14th August) weekly report. I note that in this he refers to a 2003 report from Colin Fry where by implication the Rhinehart film failed to convince anyone. To my knowledge the Rhinehart film was not seen by many people and lies somewhere in a Japanese research centre. I wish it was available and I could put the video on here. It is however somewhat strange Victor brought this up now, just after the Circle of the Silver Cord published a photograph. The problem with that photograph is that the lack of clarity and detail involved makes it hard to reach any positive conclusion. Superficially the head shape is unlike the drawing given of William and the height and shape more reminicent of David, in itself it is an unfortunate piece of information which, hopefully will be superceded by better photographs in the future. I still wonder why, as Victor is a friend of Ron Pearson, he has not followed through on Ron's report that passive Infra Red is harmless to ectoplasm.

Some may wonder why we make such an issue, well ever since Victor attended his first David Thompson seance in August 2006 he has indicated that this is the most important source of evidence that we currently have to prove survival. Great events require great proofs and I am sure most people would expect that any inconsistencies should be resolved. I notice again that Warren Caylor has accepted a challenge from Psychic News to verify his mediumship. Warren never made claims at the level that Victor makes for David. Maybe now is the time that David should use his prior contact with Guy Lyon Playfair of the Society of Psychical Research and with Professor Gary Schwartz to facilitate a scientific study of his mediumship to bring to all of us the conclusive proof that Victor assures us he has seen. I am sure that we would all be totally supportive of such a step and back him entirely in the venture. I also believe that the type of investigative techniques that past mediums endured, for the benefit of proof, would be unnecessary and a much more humane methodology is now available.

I hope that this post does not draw the ire of Victor once again, this has never been the intent, either here or on the SCR.

Cheers All

Jim

An excellent summation, Jim

You have put the case admirably - no sensible person can object to anything you have written.

What we all want are the answers to the questions raised not abuse by Zammit.

What a well-rounded and thoughful response Jim. I can't understand why Victor thinks that the frankly vile language and rhetoric in his responses are of any benefit. Whether David is able to demonstrate genuine mediumship or not, Victor's hysterical (and I don't mean funny) interventions undermine both his own and David's credibility in my opinion. As an outsider to spiritualism the rationality of the calm, reasonable questions from those who already have a belief in the existence of an afterlife and the verbal bodyswerving, distraction and insults from Victor stand in quite stark contrast. I have stopped subscribing to Victor's website because to be honest it is starting to read like a cross between the News of the World and a propaganda broadcast to me.

I do think it is vital to keep probing calmly and politely and not being provoked as it keeps the matter in the public eye and also helps outsiders such as myself to see that spiritualists are at least as interested in verifiable evidence as I am. Carry on with the good work you cowardly dog

Hear hear!

Z