The Curious Case of David Thompson and Victor Zammit

Here is the latest physical phenomenon:

"Further, last Tuesday world famous materialization medium David Thompson telephoned Diana for more validation testing. So, keep tuned to the Friday Report."

So Diana, former Princess of Wales, is now accepting phone calls in the Spirit World!!

Z

zerdini wrote:Here is the latest physical phenomenon:

"Further, last Tuesday world famous materialization medium David Thompson telephoned Diana for more validation testing. So, keep tuned to the Friday Report."

So Diana, former Princess of Wales, is now accepting phone calls in the Spirit World!!

Z

You've got to be kidding me.

Yes mate just jump on the phone and dial 1800youhavetobejoking.ib

obiwan wrote:

zerdini wrote:Here is the latest physical phenomenon:

"Further, last Tuesday world famous materialization medium David Thompson telephoned Diana for more validation testing. So, keep tuned to the Friday Report."

So Diana, former Princess of Wales, is now accepting phone calls in the Spirit World!!

Z

You've got to be kidding me.

Here is the actual article from the Friday report:

HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL - ‘PRINCESS DIANA’ - update: I received an email from a 'Madame A' who stated that I unqualifiedly accepted that Diana is who she claims to be. I never stated that. For the purpose of the record, I have been stating for the last ten weeks that since there is no physical evidence, no one on earth is in a position to unqualifiedly accept Diana is who she claims to be. I stated that a judge - given the circumstances (the voluminous audios and written transmissions where no one on earth has shown there was anything wrong with them), could claim that Diana has made out a prima facie case that she is who she claims to be. But that does NOT mean acceptance that she is Princess Diana. The definitive distinction in law is most critical. Investigations are still going on. Further, last Tuesday world famous materialization medium David Thompson telephoned Diana for more validation testing. So, keep tuned to the Friday Report.

iceblue wrote:Yes mate just jump on the phone and dial 1800youhavetobejoking.ib

lmao

Hi All,

This must be a momentous day without excess Fanfare Victor Zammit, David Thompson and the Circle of the Silver Cord have completed something that the United States Congress refused to fund in the 1850's

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zerdini wrote:

obiwan wrote:

zerdini wrote:Here is the latest physical phenomenon:

"Further, last Tuesday world famous materialization medium David Thompson telephoned Diana for more validation testing. So, keep tuned to the Friday Report."

So Diana, former Princess of Wales, is now accepting phone calls in the Spirit World!!

Z

You've got to be kidding me.

Here is the actual article from the Friday report:

HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL - ‘PRINCESS DIANA’ - update: I received an email from a 'Madame A' who stated that I unqualifiedly accepted that Diana is who she claims to be. I never stated that. For the purpose of the record, I have been stating for the last ten weeks that since there is no physical evidence, no one on earth is in a position to unqualifiedly accept Diana is who she claims to be. I stated that a judge - given the circumstances (the voluminous audios and written transmissions where no one on earth has shown there was anything wrong with them), could claim that Diana has made out a prima facie case that she is who she claims to be. But that does NOT mean acceptance that she is Princess Diana. The definitive distinction in law is most critical. Investigations are still going on. Further, last Tuesday world famous materialization medium David Thompson telephoned Diana for more validation testing. So, keep tuned to the Friday Report.

It is this type of statement which really makes you question vz 's creditability on anything.ib

Hi Ice

I absolutely agree with you it is very likely just to draw ridicule upon David Thompson but worse still upon Physical Mediumship and upon the evidence for proof of survival.

We must assume, given the long established and close relationships between members of the Circle of the Silver Cord (of which Victor and his wife are members) that David himself approved Victor's publication of his "telephoning of Diana".

Now there is clear evidence from research which proves that William Charles Cadwell never existed. So who on earth is going to make the validation.
Cheers

Jim

Hi All,

We discover that David has recently telephoned Princess Diana in spirit and we are to watch this space in Victor's after life report.

Then I discover that very kindly The Circle of the Silver Cord have included me in their latest mail out. Very simply the contents is
"Hello ,

The video of David Thompson's friend and guide in spirit, WIlliam's partially materialized profile is now available to view on The Silver Cord website:

www.silvercordcircle.com.

To view this you need to become a member - which is FREE.

Attached is a newsletter giving details about the video and how to access it."


I have not seen this or received feed back upon it yet. As I said about that single photograph previously published I am sure it must come from the special film shot during the UK tour.

This was mentioned when they first travelled over, at the same time as Victor said that they would not use Infra Red because Ron Pearson, an engineer turned scientist and a good friend of Michael Roll and Victor, had said it was dangerous to ectoplasm.

In suprise at this I contacted a friend who provided the following answer
“Spoke to Ron this afternoon and received some information although he was a careful not to commit to any definitive statement over 'active infrared' in the séance room.

As for passive IR Ron was quite clear that he considered this as having no affect on ectoplasm and re iterated your comments about the heat generated by the sitters as a passive IR source.”

I also enquired about the David Thompson video (taken on the UK tour)..You will need to read Ron's report on this as it will make an interesting read although he does not consider the phenomena as suitable for scientific validation"

Now Ron's report has never surfaced but I suspect the video has, nearly one year later. I have no idea why Ron felt what he did but maybe, as you all view the video, you should do so critically and look carefully. I also note William has a particularly notable head of hair and longish face in the pictures of him, which should make recognition easy.

No idea how long the filming went on but maybe it will be enlightening about seance protocols, like who tied David up and released him, the detail of the alcove he is placed in with the curtain etc etc. I'm not sure who actually was with him from the Circle but guess Chris Hood the circle leader and Rosheen Mason his partner (and David's Business Manager) would be there.

With David himself plus Wendy and Victor Zammit you have five of the original eight person circle.

Oh one final thing if you watch this video as William Charles Cadwell never existed what on earth is this figure meant to be.

Cheers

Jim

I post here what I have also posted on the SCR as I believe it is of relevance to both sites.

When Michael Prescott began this thread on the Spiritualist Chat Room on August 16, 2008, he wrote:

"I've been very skeptical of David Thompson (DT), but lately I've had some correspondence from someone who sat with DT in a séance in the USA. He has passed on some interesting info..." Michael then added:

"First, he tells he that he knows Guy Playfair, and that Playfair looked up the name William C. Cadwell after attending a DT séance. Reportedly, Playfair found the name in the "Mormon family history" file. The William C. Cadwell in question died within a year of the "William" who allegedly comes through at DT's séances. In other words, the date of death was off by only one year. I'm told Playfair felt it was possible that William had simply misremembered the exact date. This was the only William C. Cadwell that Playfair could find in England in the late 19th century."

In a subsequent posting on August 17, 2008 Michael stated:

"In regard to the Cadwell/Caldwell distinction, I asked my correspondent about that, and he wrote:
Guy emailed me a couple of days ago, this is what he told me….

'Yes I did find a W C Cadwell in the Mormon Family History Centre file, and the date of death was a year or two away from the date he gave me - sorry I don't recall the exact date but it was only a year or two. I didn't look for Timothy Booth as I didn't know his surname.'

So at this point, at least, Guy Playfair seems to be saying that he found a Cadwell, not a Caldwell. However, perhaps he is remembering incorrectly, if he said something different on prior occasions."

In the original post Prescott also recorded:

"My correspondent looked up the name William Cadwell in the 2008 UK census and found that there are only 7 of them in the UK at present, and none with the middle name Charles. In other words, it's an uncommon name now, and apparently was uncommon in the 19th century as well. This would suggest that if the name was simply invented, then it's quite a coincidence that the only William C. Cadwell in England during the latter part of the 1800s should have died so close to the date given by DT's William."

There are significant errors in these statements.

1. "Playfair found the name in the "Mormon family history" file. The William C. Cadwell in question died within a year of the "William" who allegedly comes through at DT's séances.In other words, the date of death was off by only one year. I'm told Playfair felt it was possible that William had simply misremembered the exact date. This was the only William C. Cadwell that Playfair could find in England in the late 19th century."

A large part of this statement is incorrect.

Discussion on this aspect of David Thompson's mediumship took place on Prescott's blog, Mr Playfair initially stated:

"The name I found in the Mormon Family History Centre in London was CADWELL, W C. If anyone doesn't believe me, go and look for yourself."
Posted by: Guy Lyon Playfair | September 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I responded to Mr Playfair with a request.

"With respect, I feel it necessary to ask Mr Playfair in what record did he find CADWELL, W.C. in the Morman Family History Centre in London?
It has been suggested that no record of a death of any William Cadwell, or W.C. Cadwell has been found in the official Government Death Index records in 1897 or in the two years prior or after that year. This fact too can be easily checked in any Morman Family History Centre anywhere in the world.
I do not wish to suggest that Mr Playfair is not telling us the truth I do feel that rather more information about what he found and in what record is really necessary, especially if he maintains that he has found evidence for the existence of Mr Thompson's main guide and friend that no one else seem able to find in any death or census records. I would therefore appreciate Mr Playfair enlightening us on this matter.
Lis
Posted by: Lis | September 12, 2008 at 04:10 PM

I followed this up with a complete list of CADWELL deaths registered and recorded in the Government Record office Deaths Index between 1895 - 1900. The information included the Quarter of the year in which the person died, their name, age at death, District in which death occurred and Volume and Page Reference. I again asked Mr Playfair if he would be so kind as to provide us with the details of the record that he found.

I also posted, in order that there be no uncertainty (some might think that William Charles CADWELL just might have been incorrectly recorded under the CALDWELL surname), a list of all William CALDWELL'S whose death were registered between 1895 - 1900. I also pointed out that none of these CALDWELL William's were William Charles. None lived in London and none died in London area in 1897. I have also tracked all these William CALDWELL through the census records and established that they did not live in London area, and were not "a man of science" nor involved in publishing of scientific material. None were incorrectly recorded as CALDWELL on the Death Registration Index but previously recorded in census data as CADWELL. I also noted that the same applied to all the William CADWELL'S that are recorded. They can all be tracked through the various census records between 1841 and 1901. No William Charles, or W.C. or William CADWELL fitting the information provided by "William Charles CADWELL" - Mr Thompson's guide - can be found in the census records.

Mr Playfair responded:

"When I get a spare afternoon I'll go round to the FHC and check whether I was hallucinating last time."
Posted by: guy Lyon Playfair | September 13, 2008 at 04:03 AM

Mr Playfair then posted again:

"In view of the passions Mr Cadwell still seems to arouse, I went through my 2003 notebook and found this for December:
'Mormon FHC: William Charles Cadwell, b. 1843 London. Only one'. [meaning no other Cadwells on file] I didn't note date of death which I should have, and next time I'm down that way I'll pop in and check."
Posted by: Guy Lyon Playfair | September 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM

In thanlking Mr Playfair for clarifying what information he had found I pointed out that the William Charles Cadwell he had mentioned

"was in fact born on Aug 4 1842 in St Martins in the Fields, the son of William Andrew Cadwell and Ann Adam. His father was a Waterman and W.C. was not actually christened until a year after his birth, on 2 Aug 1843 at St Martins. In 1861 (at Census time) this William Charles Cadwell was residing at 3 Brewer St Chelsea with his parents. He was recorded as being 18 and a Gilder by occupation. Sadly, this William Charles Cadwell died at the age of 23 in the December Quarter of 1865 (GRO Deaths Dec Q 1865 Chelsea 1a 141). His father William Andrew Cadwell died aged 59 in 1870 (Dec Q 1870 Chelsea 1a 172).
It is obvious that this William Charles Cadwell is not the "etherean" who claims to be William Charles CADWELL born 1830 died 1897."

Comment:
It is clear that Mr Playfair found a William Charles Cadwell who was born in 1843. He did not find a death record for this person within a year of the alleged death of the alleged Thompson guide 'William'. Mr Playfair's email to Prescott's correspondent is factually incorrect. He was clearly in error and one can only presume that his memory was faulty when he claimed he had found a death "a year or two away from the date he ('William/David Thompson)gave me."

The W. C. Cadwell Mr Playfair found was not the 'William Charles Cadwell' control of David Thompson. He was not born in 1830 as Thompson's control alleges he was. He did not die in 1897 as Thompson's 'William' claims he did. This young man, a Gilder, son of a Waterman, died in 1865 when only 23. He was not a "man of science". He certainly would not have had a 'home counties' accent. He simply cannot be considered a likely candidate and there is no other W.C. Cadwell either.

Back on Sep 27 2007 David Thompson wrote on the SCR, when referring to his various guides:
"my main friend and contact is: William Charles Cadwell, who passed in 1897. (William was check up by the SPR when Monty Keen did his report into my mediumship and was found)."

Subsequently, when the statement which appeared to suggest Montegue Keen had found 'Cadwell', was challenged, and Keen's wife confirmed he had not searched for this information, David Thompson then claimed that it was Playfair who had done the research and had confirmed that his 'guide' William Charles Cadwell had been born 1830 and died 1897.

Clearly, the brief piece of information on the existence of a W. C. Cadwell noted by Playfair who does not fit the information claimed by the alleged Thompson control does not do that. In other words Mr Thompson has made claims that are not true.

Lis

Further on this subject:

2. With regard to Mr Prescott's remark:

"My correspondent looked up the name William Cadwell in the 2008 UK census and found that there are only 7 of them in the UK at present, and none with the middle name Charles. In other words, it's an uncommon name now, and apparently was uncommon in the 19th century as well. This would suggest that if the name was simply invented, then it's quite a coincidence that the only William C. Cadwell in England during the latter part of the 1800s should have died so close to the date given by DT's William."

This is a very curious statement indeed. Perhaps Prescott's correspondent did "look up the name William Cadwell" but it most certainly was not in the "2008 UK census. Why? Because there is no such record!!!!!

Perhaps he examined some electoral role, or maybe the telephone records? Perhaps Mr Prescott would like to once again contact his correspondent to establish where he really looked?

As for the rest of the statement - the name Cadwell is indeed uncommon. It is now and it was in the 19th century. However, there is no "coincidence" as Prescott suggests since "the only William C Cadwell" he mentions was not in fact still alive "during the latter part of the 1800s" having died in 1865, which is clearly a death date not at all close "to the date given by DTs William." 32 years out from the alleged 1897 year of death is so not close!

There can be no doubt that the claims by David Thompson about his alleged control are not correct. There is no evidence for the existence of 'William Charles Cadwell'. None at all. None from Mr Playfair. None from anyone else. The SPR did not research William and find him. Montague Keen did not do any research. Mr Playfair took a look and did not find any evidence that supports the claims of DTs 'control'.

The issue of David Thompson's guide is an important one. So much of what goes on in his seances relies on the intregrity of this entity. It seems there is a very strong prima facie reason (at the very least) for saying that this alleged 'control' did not have the physical life that they claim. Accordingly, all that they say and allegedly do must be called into question. It cannot be relied upon.

Lis

Hi All,

Accordingly, all that they say and allegedly do must be called into question. It cannot be relied upon. Lis

On Michael Prescotts blog, subsequent to this latest break through, I also posted the following which is very relevant to the above quote and although all the issues (and a lot more) are listed above these are well worth repeating now.

"Given his record in not being who he says we must have much greater concern about what he says. William has said things which are incorrect, hurtful and could be downright dangerous. Séance recordings show William recommending that pregnant women, who may be concerned about Downs Syndrome, should take Aspirin once they know they are pregnant to help prevent it. Any medical practioner will tell you that a genetic defect cannot be prevented after conception and Aspirin is dangerous to pregnant women except in specific medically controlled states. William also told of a direct link between AIDS and Downs Syndrome, something obviously incorrect and hurtful to many.

William is also the convenor for all the guest spirits even the psychic surgeon. Now Paul Barker has confirmed that, at that same Cober Hill event, Dr S the surgeon told a cancer patient he did not have cancer although she died of cancer two weeks later. He also told a woman who recently had a breast removed for cancer she should not have had the operation. We can also give instances of events from his appearance for us in Adelaide performing psychic surgery.

William also brings the celebrities “fru”. If you go to my forum here http://spiritualismlink.forumotion.com/physical-mediumship-f5/the-curious-case-of-david-thompson-and-victor-zammit-t132-15.htm
You can listen to some voice comparisons of various “people”. You can also check Simon Forsyth’s Psychic Times re Allan Crossley here http://www.thepsychictimes.com/zammit.htm
I am not even going to Louis Armstrong, any man who would say “that trumpet comes first, before anything, even my wife” would materialise his instrument (physical mediumship records show this has happened Z may add extra light) rather than play the harmonica. Either that or he would do some “Heebie Jeebies” style scat a method of singing which he created. There are also many intricate questions that could be asked as there are some wonderful snippets of odd information about him. However as with all the “visitors” minimum questions are asked by all the circle members.

So if William and Timothy are not real as they have claimed what weight can we put on what they supposedly produce in the séance room especially when all of this occurs in the dark."

Jim

I too received the information about the video from the Silver Cord[ as I did make myself a member ] but unfortunately no matter how I tried I could not make the video work. It was a rather long winded effort to bring it up in the first place. Since then have not even considered trying again.
spirit7

Hi All,

As an update I note that VZ has not published details of DT's telephone conversation with Princesss Diana as so clearly promised, maybe her phone number is silent. I do note that when some promises go a little pear shaped the answers have in the past been slow to surface (the film on the COSC site took nearly 12 months) and may not be answered in the promised way (the questions from the old SCR site).

However, there is one matter of interest in this ongoing saga. Long term watchers will be well aware that DT denied being a Spiritualist now and indicated that the circle was not Spiritualist. VZ has confirmed and reiterated this position for DT, the circle and himself.

Then out of the blue comes their latest newsletter with the special proclamation about the Sydney Progressive Spiritualist Centre. It clearly appears this has been started by COSC as it can only be accessed from the COSC site and the html links show the silver cord site. The donations link, on the Spiritualist Centre pages, declared as tax deductible, are to an entity known as COSC Enterprises and I am rather suprised that these can be tax free unless COSC have achieved either Charitable or Political status. The Resident Medium for their once a month services is DT or if she travels over from Perth Christine Morgan, President/founder of the Spiritualist Sanctuary in Perth Western Australia. Obviously now a grest friend and the presenter of DT's seances in Perth WA.

Now remember DT, VZ and COSC deny being Spiritualists so given below is there convoluted apologee for borrowing this word from what is a true Philosophy, Belief, Truth and Science. In truth every refusal to deal with the issues raised in this thread and also by so many people not only indicates that they do not truly accept the full philosophy or truth they also prove that they are, gratefully, not a real part of it.

"Our services are not religious, nor connected with any institution, and are run completely not for profit. We use the term Spiritualist because it lays a solid foundation for not only the belief in the ability to communicate with those in the World of Spirit but also the philosophy that knowledge of life after death gives the individual a more spiritual motive and purpose, more so when not impeded by dogmas and creeds. "

Cheers all fascinating stuff, by the by I understand that the film which Ron Pearson states is scientifically unsound covers the whole of a seance in the UK. Just a question, as this rest light camera could record everything why has no one reported the film of materialised loved ones walking round giving messages to loved ones, the trumpets flying and the celebrities? I understand we must wait for more and better film.

I make an offer to DT, I am working with a firm of Infra Red Thermographers on a consulting project. They use the most expensive and technically advanced passive infra red cameras. They charge by the hour and I am sure our Mission in Adelaide would sponsor the cost of a full seance recording and report by their experts. Have to pass it by the committee to check this but full and independent verification by an expert system that Ron Pearson states is safe for ectoplasm, what an opportunity for real proof. DT is in Adelaide soon and one of the Professors at Adelaide Uni is very interested in this whole area and I am sure he would facilitate this if DT and COSC agreed, say December! From past refusals to the SPR I doubt that DT and COSC would ever agree to this and the suggestion may well receive some ridicule from them. Hey ho why wouldn't they support and welcome this?

Cheers

Jim