Warren Caylor

AN UPDATE FROM WARREN CAYLOR'S WEBSITE:


Recently I provided a Chance for any interested parties or organisation to Hold a Seance in test conditions.
I am Happy to announce that The well Known Phsycic News have
kindly taken up this offer.Although we are only in the preliminary
stages of organising this event im sure that many of you will be eager
to discover more.I will keep you updated as and when The details are
provided.

Thankyou

Warren


Watch this space cos this could be interesting !

"Watch this space cos it could be interesting"

It most certainly could be.

Bill

Hi All,

I have been updated on this from the new SCR Warren says PN pulled out but I believe we should wait to see what PN says. He claims it was a requirement about allowing his two sitters to be either side of him. Yet it is obvious that no expererienced people, settng up a test seance, would have allowed this. Warren on his own site and the old SCR said he would accept ANY conditions . Wow believable Warren, quick and sorry (to any Medium or Psychic watching) totally expected.

Jim

Hi All,

It is time we accepted that neither Warren Caylor nor David Thompson are prepared to respond appropriately to the issues concerning their mediumship. This is no time to wail and cry; it is unimportant. Truth is what matters and real mediums, physical and mental have given this in the past. These two are inconsequential, they will earn substantial money, possibly smear the reputation of mediumship but never destroy it.

We may never know whether either of them are real so Spiritualism has to turn their back on it and move on, it really does not matter. Can any of you truly say the world is ready for totally verifiable proof of survival, the first step is in philosophy and the way we present it ... then we prove what is real. Spiritualism was and should be a leading radical thought process lets get back to it. Lets get out there and tell the world our truth with the best Mental mediums, or physical mediumship in the light and leave the others hiding in dark rooms (all but those very few physical mediums who work this way and have no queries against them of course who suffer purely by association).


Cheers

Jim

Hi All,

I am glad that my attention was drwan to this piece which although about teh New mediums act has a major section on friend Warren.
http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/sunday-review/features/spirited-away-meet-the-psychics-with-an-uncertain-future-832567.html

Maybe suprising he never challenged them with legal action.

Cheers

Jim

Admin wrote:Hi All,

I am glad that my attention was drwan to this piece which although about teh New mediums act has a major section on friend Warren.
http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/sunday-review/features/spirited-away-meet-the-psychics-with-an-uncertain-future-832567.html

Maybe suprising he never challenged them with legal action.

Cheers

Jim

To launch a legal action in this country costs an awful lot of money which is why the wealthy are usually the only people who can afford to do so.

That is why Zammit will never do so and that is why is why his threats carry no weight whatsoever.

The same applies to Warren Caylor.

Z

Hi All when this is resolved I will make let it drift down the topic list

Admin wrote:Hi All when this is resolved I will make let it drift down the topic list

Good idea.

The full story re Warren Caylor regarding "The seance that failed to materialise" is in this week's edition (dated 6th September) which came out today.

The list of people invited, together with the conditions proposed, is also published.

Z

Hi All,

Well a resolution may take time for Warren to refuse this chance with all the wonderful people that would have been involved (look at the Psychic News for this weeek 4th sept 2008) is astounding given it is about restoring faith in his Mediumship. I understand he intends, from his website to revisit Canada and go on to New York. Really look back to the link to the Independent Newspaper of the Uk and the Psychic News. there is no proof to back this medium. Warren, go back to scientific testing.

Cheers

Jim

Anyone studying this link and the Curious case of David Thompson and Victor Zammit may, like me feel that David should also accept PN's challenge. I also believe Warren has to go back, say I am sorry and accept the challenge.

Cheers

Jim

Admin wrote:Hi All,

Well a resolution may take time for Warren to refuse this chance with all the wonderful people that would have been involved (look at the Psychic News for this weeek 4th sept 2008) is astounding given it is about restoring faith in his Mediumship. I understand he intends, from his website to revisit Canada and go on to New York. Really look back to the link to the Independent Newspaper of the Uk and the Psychic News. there is no proof to back this medium. Warren, go back to scientific testing.

Cheers

Jim

I hope the immigration and tax authorities in the USA and Canada are aware of his proposed trip to spend five months in the respective countries.

Is he allowed to earn money in the States as a visitor?

Z

Hi Z,

I believe you are allowed to earn some income but I do not think that on a visitors visa it is a large amount.

Jim

Admin wrote:Hi Z,

I believe you are allowed to earn some income but I do not think that on a visitors visa it is a large amount.

Jim

Thanks Jim.

Z

Hi All

On another list someon in reading about the issue thought the following

" PN were right to ASK for control measures, however they were wrong to force these restrictions on the medium when he asked for the two side sitters. If this sitting had gone ahead and proven successful, even without irrefutable verification, they could then move forward by
making SUBTLE changes to subsequent seances...Rome wasn't built in a day...Or a single sitting?"

I realised that some people entering this topic for the first time may also think this if they were unware of teh background and I replied in the following manner

I will quote what one person wrote in a comment on a psychic blog which appeared on Micheal Prescotts Blog yesterday. An attendee at the same seance, that is mentioned in the Independent article, wrote at
http://psychics.co.uk/psychic-forum/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=5051
"omg its not just me and my friends then
we went to a "seance" at begining of year, jesus what a con we have involved the police now, it is f..... It was like a punch and judy show, i have never seen anything like it a car came down track to the place were it was held with head lights full on and it turned out this yellow feather was a member of his team stood up with a head dress.
what a con "

Now because of the blackout failure there were many reports like this but I was aware that a UK lawyer and member of the old Spiritualist Chat Room (now defunct) was coordinating these with the possibility of legal follow up. As a result the whole issue was left dormant.

It should be noted that at this stage he had been stopped from working at Jenny's Sanctuary. Immediately news from the seance noted above became public Zerdin Phenomenal published a note withdrawing any support for him until he could verify his claims.

In response Warren wrote on his website the following..

"Tie me up,Chain me down,Seal me in a glass cabinet,Tape up my Mouth, Do whatever you think is acceptable as Scientific tests,and you will see that still Spirit will come.I am willing to accomadate any such tests and
conditions.Yet it is sad that those who are so convinced its all fake and shout fraud have never yet come forward to take up this offer.
So as plainly as I can put it,Please either Put up or Shut up."

He also indulged in a little correspondence on the Spiritualist Chatroom where he made clear he would even submit to scientific testing and controls of any kind while making it clear this would be a once only seance offer.

In reality Warren was in need of rehabilitating, shunned by his peers and the one organisation that promoted Physical Mediumship. We also know from both the above and the Independent that he has a complaint against him. Indeed that article in the Independent indicated the facts gathered from that seance could be used in any subsequent action, under the new law, as corroborating evidence.

I think, in fact, Psychic News were very brave even to enter this arena, where either any favourable comment, or even purely an inability to reach any conclusion would, one can presume from past experience, immediately appear as support on Warren's website.

Both Warren and David Thompson seem to me to be in a rather different category to the many other physical mediums quietly developing. They have earned relatively large sums of money and indicate clearly they wish to earn substantially more. Given the nature of their claims of absolute proof of survival and this extra commercial element surely they have a greater reason to agree to testing to verify their claims. Personally, if the tests prove what thy claim, I have no issue with them then charging what they like, its just either a conscience matter, or purely a supply and demand issue (the old economic theory of pricing).

I continue to understand why both the SNU and the NSAC do not promote or support physical mediumship, given these ongoing events and past history (albeit the NSAC have a new website on phenomena). In honesty I would contrast the immediate criticism of poor mental mediumship compared to the lee way given to physical mediums, who often seem to manage even poorer survival evidence. Indeed it seems we can accept Physical Mediums demonstrating publically when they have not reached a standard that would normally be expected from a regular platform worker, especially in terms of proving survival. Clearly the phenomena, which may have no relationship to spirit because it can proveably be achievable through telekinesis (leaving alone possible fraud), fascinates people.

My position is much the same as Pastor John's I believe his summation gives the only realistic way to develop proveable phenomena albeit a slow one which may yield no results. A friend, who is a developing physical medium, intends not to work publically until he can either do so in the light, or produce verifiable photographic evidence, or detailed valid direct voice recordings. I admire his determination and intent not to exploit the gift commercially.

In summation I believe PN should be applauded for taking this step, they must have been aware of the claims of collusion by those circle colleagues (as must Warren have been) so it is natural that the seance could not proceed with those conditions suddenly imposed. Remember not only was Warren only offering a one off seance but it would have been difficult to constantly reassemble such a roomful of luminary figures, as sympathetic to physical mediumship, as the editor arranged.

Oh well Warren is off to tread the boards where David Thompson wanted to go, the USA and Canada. Warren was in Toronto last year and the reports show a total dissatisfaction with the continued absence of Proof of Survival. Corresponding with me the Canadian organiser of that trip confirmed only two, not very convincing, messages came through from all the seances.

However, who knows, maybe the controversy will lead to greater commercial success but I do hope future attendees at public seances become more discerning of the events, test the evidence more rigorously and begin to question the spirits at a deeper level not just accepting them for their claims.

Cheers

Jim